And yes, its your site, but dont act like a site is open for discussion if its not. I dont understand how the family court managed to isolate 2 severely traumatized and grievously injured children from their entire family. View theaffidavits. I did not shoot my children.. If you use this mixed water, you can lift off a gunpowder stain.. No OTHER reason. Master Chief actor Pablo Schreiber has said he won't do an impression on the Halo TV show, suggesting he won't try to . Id like to challenge some of the bloggers claims. The fact that the Hugis did so successfully is arguably proof of this. A. I believe Charlene and I had a big blowout around Thanksgiving and I left, called Diane. Nobody knows but her. Of course, because this is what she does when people put her on the spot and ask questions concerning her mother and the shooting. That they did not test the outside of the car? The time was spent waiting for the clock to tick down the final seconds for all appeals to the parental termination to be allowed. Strangely enough, a woman who was seen for 8 months by a psychologist and declared to be in shock and suffering from a mood disorder, would now be assessed by the State hired psychiatrist to confirm the label Hugi conveniently made up during trial. I try to bring out the details that were ignored because Down was so unpopular. The woman shot her children. One could argue that this blog does not stick to what came out at trial. In a perfect world this would always be the case. I was always really bothered by that. But before you get too deep into the drug stuff with Van Houten, she chose to take drugs. Instead of grieving, Alice went partying and had sex. I had never heard of this case and fell upon several videos that had me completely convinced DD was a narcissistic psychopath. Whatever mental illness she has, has gotten worse with each hearing. She entertained the idea of opening a surrogacy agency but the project never really took off. I believe DDs case needs to be re looked at and all evidence reviewed. I was raised by an evil narcissist and have not only seen this kind of behavior before, but I have seen the face of the devil and it is a look of pure evil that gives me the creeps. From what Ive read, she gets a parole hearing every decade and the next time in 2030 she will be 75. I cannot be more transparent than that and integrity was one of the missing pieces of the entire case. They were in foster care for two years before the prosecutor adopted them. ABC MOVIE FOR TV Small Sacrifices 1989 Farrah Fawcett, Ryan ONeal. Diane now had the title of dangerous offender. Diane was cooked the minute she walked in that courtroom. My website is in the process of being migrated so it has no photos. How could they expect a normal mother/daughter reunion between a beaten inmate whose mental health had degraded and a daughter trapped in this insanity? That same gun turned up at a police raid years later in Perris, California, and it did not match the ballistics from the shooting site. The role of Diane Downs was played by none other than Farrah Fawcett and her lover was played by Ryan ONeal who had been Farrahs love interest in real life. Her mom is still alive and would love to have contact but respect that they wont. The proverbial expression It takes two to tango applies here. In fact, with her continuing to deny committing the crime or expressing remorse, she may never get out. At what point during these meetings did she start calling him Dad? The reason she is likely locked up is because she was diagnosed with narcissistic, histrionic and anti social personality disorder, that makes her a very dangerous person (especially since she is a murderer). A. Diane had moved to Oregon only 6 weeks before the tragedy to work in the area and have her parents spend time with the kids. My question is: why is she still locked up? The police admitting on the stand that after 2 weeks, they stopped looking at suspects appears to be a fact. The crucial point is that she is so void of emotion. Steve Downes has voiced the Master Chief in the Halo games since his 2001 debut, and his voice has become synonymous with the character.However, despite Jen Taylor being asked to reprise her role as the . If she was the shooter, it had to be proven beyond a reasonable doubt. He failed. Again thats opinion, and neither balanced nor objective. A demonstration in court strongly suggested: Suggested, not confirmed. Then they just got shut out. I do have to take issue with this article about Diane Downs. I stuck to what came out at trial and not the fantasy factory coming from the state, the media and Rule. I dont know how familiar she was with the area, but I do not think that it matters anyway. Anyway, it takes a good scrubbing with soap and water to get rid of gun powder residues and doing so with only one arm would be quite difficult. Their theory was very shaky. CK was willing to take, or attempt to take, the lives of 4 people in order to steal their car. Diane had met all the requirements to be paroled. I agree on many points with your comment. They now have social media arenas reminiscent of the Romans cheering at the sight of a thumb down meaning there will be a bloodshed. At the very least, she should have been released by now. All the reports and even the warden thought she was not a threat anymore. They checked her nails to see if she could have buried the gun and they were clean. What was the justification? If not, why not? No matter how horrible people think she is. Her arm was severely damaged, so shattered that she needed a graft from a hip bone. During the process of the termination (which can take the whole 2 years in question, with appeals) the court is mandated to find family to take the children. It was the story of two troubled young souls trying to survive without a safety net. You make an interesting observation when you say: Anyways. No gun, no blood or gun residue on her and if she shot them, these elements should have been there. It will not make me popular, but I dont mind. The children were in the hospital, it isnt like they could have taken them home. I remember when it was in the news. I understand that the authorities were afraid to leave the two remaining children under her care if they thought she was guilty, but they could have been released to the grandparents or other blood relatives with supervised visits from their mom considering that she was not charged with any crime. It became more about despising Diane Downs than investigating fairly. Not that it matters, your opinion is about the case and not subject to geography. So there was a transfer, but nothing else was found. Criminalist James Pex was pretty clear about this. On May 19, 1983, Diane and her kids visited a friend to look at her new horse, and then went for a drive; not at all unusual for this family not living according to middle class rules. Steve Howey and Sarah Shahi both grew up in the Lone Star state but their romance didn't begin until they were both acting in Los Angeles. Seems like former husband, Steve Downs, should've been the custodial parent after the divorce. There were many problems with her trial and that matters. I watched the paroles hearing in 08, was lucky to find it, it was streamed live at the timemy sister, who is a whiz with computers, found it for me. A fair trial is a right in this country, not a judicial suggestion. A. She was no mother of the year, I will grant them that, but a trial is supposed to be based on evidence. In her case it seems to be more a matter of punishment. By the way, that interview with Christie by a biased advocate named Angel borders on abusive. Not that Dianes mental health was not a factor in her letter, but it was definitely taken out of context in some instances. The BBC weather presenter, 60 . Except after the idea was subsequently planted in his head only to be alluded to in court, in spite of an agreement to never mention the subject. Wasnt Mr. F supposed to be a child molester? They said she was going slow but the time at which she arrived seems to indicate otherwise. Diane Downs was one of the most infamous murderers of the 1980s; the emotionally flat blonde was convicted of shooting her three children, killing one of them, along a roadway in Springfield,. Fred Hugi was pretty upset when Ann Rule went Hollywood with his case. But if you compare them, and if stranger there was, there are similarities but it is not dead on. I am posting Jamesanswer: Yes the allegations were said and you cannot take back what was saideven if retracted It probably makes you feel so good. I followed the trial. So how she behaved at the time, should not have been a factor influencing the authorities. I am not saying that Diane was a saint or Ann Rule a demon. It surely was not due process. But I think that in all fairness, many of them dont even know the details of the case and have watched Small Sacrifices instead. Blood, cuts, limo driver who saw him come in, the shoe print, the blood in the car and on the socks in his bedroom. Her husband turned out to be a player and a very irresponsible guy who did not really love her. If I was of a mind to manipulate the Board by giving voice to the words they want me to utter, Id have sold my soul two decades ago when the lies would have benefited me and my youth passed long ago. An attractive woman whose two children were killed in mysterious circumstances and the cops decided to go after her. Probably a 911 button. In the 1996 Federal Petition, you can find the Anatomy of Brainwashing that can answer any question on this subject. Notify me of follow-up comments by email. ANNE RULES BOOK IS A LIE, ,ALL MADE UP CRAP. Its a fact. Due process always matters. Now she claims she was dating an FBI agent at the time, was holding some top secret pictures for him, and she was on the road to meet someone to pass them off, at the instruction of her FBI boyfriend. Her children were obviously more severely injuredbecause being captive in the car while a shooter aimed at them gave them less of a chance to wiggle out of the situation than an adult outside the car. It should have been investigated further. The fact that the DA adopted the children, since it was after the trial, is more of a gray area. I will talk to Dianes brother. In Oregon, in 1983, she shot her 3 children, 1 daughter died. Id have more influence arguing for better relationships with Mexico at a Donald Trump rally in Mexico. The american system often reminds me of what Charles Dickens talked about in his novels. why didn't steve downs get custody. I saw footage of Diane herself laughing during the re-enactment of the crime. Why was no one in the family given the right to adopt them. They were treated very badly in this matter. The case was so one sided that it is about time some of us bring up the other side. Diane described the stranger that shot them on the road and a police artist came up with a sketch. If there is a fair trial and sentencing, I usually dont write about a case, but high profile cases tend to need more scrutiny because emotions run high. Nobody had any reason for a conspiracy of this magnitude over a literal nobody. she chose to stay with Manson and his misfits. The prosecutor and his wife adopted both children that survived and although the boy is paralyzed and in a wheelchair, they trived with their new parents. Pros. That didnt seem right so we wrote a letter to Mr Hugi with a request for visitation rights. They did not like her attitude and she did not behave the way they expected a grieving mother to act. What about the facts of the case? And the flat affect and sometimes inappropriate smiling would come with the territory so you cannot judge her actions without taking into account that she might not have been acting according to the norms. TIL On May 19, 1983, Diane Downs shot her three children and drove them at 5-7 mph to the hospital. He gave temporary custody to Dr. Wilhite. And her mental health should definitely have been a factor to release her with follow up care. During Dianes examination at trial, Fred Hugi said in front of the jury, in the form of a question, that she had been diagnosed as a deviant sociopath.. Our laws are not written that way. But there were discrepancies; the tool marks did not matchand the detective lied on the stand about it. They were in a group home and he was getting unsupervised visitation with them. Her daughter told the media she watched Small Sacrifices several times. Rule defended her right to earn a living and to tell her story. Clearly the social workers were working with the DAs office and taking advice on best interest of the children from them. Do you REALLY believe she expected them to live especially since she drove at less than 10 mph. But in the case of DD, there were a lot of elements missing. It is a research done on the case according to many sources. Diane then replied, so, put her back on the stand and make her tell the truth. He said he would when it was his turn, but never did. Go reading US: The American Gulag, 26 Mar 2009 Exploding prison populations in the US serve a basic need of capitalism. HUGE conflict of interest. I had never heard of this case before I read her book (Im not from or do not live in the USA), but I found myself constantly despairing at the authors unfounded judgements and wild suppositions. And after Diane left Arizona she didnt call Knick to inquire about his love, but rather about when he would repay the $500 (Appendix 81, pages 1479-1480). And she should be allowed parole! Diane Downs' ex husband, Steve Downs, lost a lot in May 1983 when his ex wife shot their three children, following their divorce in 1980. Even more now with hindsight because of the gun and the fact that her daughter kind of recanted by demonstrating that if pushed, she will say what is expected of her. You are wondering about the question why didn t steve downs get custody but currently there is no answer, so let kienthuctudonghoa.com summarize and list the top articles with the question. For all my life I have thought I was not that smart, but now I can tell myself, hey cheer up could be worse. In my blog, I was referring to the case of Liysa Northon whose suit was dismissed, but when Ann Rule tried to sue the Seattle Magazine, its editor and Northons husband for their article on her shoddy work, she lost and had to pay restitution. As we have reported in great detail in the past, Diane Downs could not possibly have committed the crime of shooting her children, or there would have been evidence of gunpowder residue and blood. Thats food for thought. And the fact that Tracy wrote in his notes that Christies reaction could have been excitement to see her mom but they decided to only mention extreme fear? And it is not like these two were white as snow. You do not debate the content of the blog which you probably did not read anyway. Thanks again. During Dianes examination at trial, Fred Hugi said in front of the jury, in the form of a question, that she had been diagnosed as a , Anne Rule made a big deal of a brass unicorn engraved with the childrens names that Diane had purchased. They now throw people in prison in the US for debts. It probably was not salacious enough for her readers that she polled online to establish if there was enough interest in the story to fill her pockets with a definite blockbuster. Why arent you debating the faulty ballistics, and the fact that the gun they affirmed was used in the commission of the crime was not the right one? What a terrible injustice. This case needed to be examined more thoroughly, but the mob mentality didnt allow it. It was kind of interesting to hear Mossimo Giannullis lawyer pleading to have his client sent home or put in general population because his mental health suffered drastically in solitary confinement because of covid after 56 consecutive days in solitary. And Steven was free to follow her lead or not. You are wondering about the question why didn't steve downs get custody but currently there is no answer, so let kienthuctudonghoa.com summarize and list the top articles with the question. The fact that the children were in no way protected by Child Protection Services is undeniable. . Within three weeks, Diane had lost custody of her remaining wounded children and had become the number one suspect in the eyes of the police department and District Attorneys office. It was the story of Diane Downs. The definition of deviant sociopath does not even exist in the DSM-HI, which is the official psychiatric diagnostic manual. Their life without parole sentences are a dime a dozen and so randomly used that it beats any notion of justice for all. High profile cases usually do not get the same treatment as regular folks. A new trial would be out of the question, so to me, parole would be the solution. Of course, her mental health has deteriorated. Page 35 of Case History. Steve knew Danny was not his biological child and left Downs. They never tried to reunite them with family. If you are not bothered by lack of due process and a prosecutor making up psychiatric labels and adopting kids from a defendant or a judge who gets promoted from family court to criminal court to hang Diane, I am sure bothered by it. What matters to me is that her rights were trampled during her trial. He actually was the one who suggested theybecome intimate after many friendly, platonic conversations. You do not refute any of the points I made in the blogs. That conflict of interest alone would incline Christie to testify against her mother. Phenobarbital was administered alongside the Dilantin. It wasnt until Prosecutor Hugi said Dr. Jamison had labeled Diane a deviant sociopath that Mr. Most were married because Diane had no desire to remarry. Having recently done research on the Liysa Northons case which was the subject of a book written by Ann Rule titled Heart Full of Lies,I came across some very interesting information about the Diane Downs case because Rule attended the trial and also wrote a book about the case called Small Sacrifices. I removed the dumb and crass part of your comment. Yep, Downs who was found guilty in 1984, escaped successfully from the Oregon Womens Correctional Center in 1987 and was transferred to Jersey afterwards. The whole case is crazy. she flat out says, they are saying Duran Duran made her shoot her kids!..Im like HUHOkay now this is my favorite groupstill is at 44yrs old.I had to investigate this. I do not have to state anything at the beginning of the blog. Mind you, it is before the trial. Washing soda is your best bet: It includes, among its ingredients, the exceedingly corrosive carbolic acid. Take your smugness elsewhere, at long last. It was Judge Footes first criminal case and it was against a woman whose children he had removed from her care even though she had not been convicted or sentenced; a conflict of interest and pure madness. She learnedat a young age to keep her emotions in check and to always present a strong and brave front. That is the reason effective trial counsel challenges the competency of a nine-year-old child to testify in a court of law. Mrs. Fredericksons concern for her daughters emotional state was well placed. Yes, but it is a fact that she was starting to say that she did not know who shot them when it happened. The whole family were co-conspirators and involved in the crime? I agree. Lack of impulse control is also another symptom that might explain why a mother would stop at night to help a stranger flagging her on the road. The underlying basis of this article. Ann Rule has always been sensationalist, and her books were almost unreadable at the end of her publishing days. That disinformation was alleged by Mr. Hugi the third day into Jim Jaggers defense and it was never objected to by Mr. Jagger . But Diane was not the one dragging Knick out of Charlenes bed every morning intent on making or breaking his relationship with another woman. She did it. She signed an affidavit to that effect and wanted the jury informed of it but it was never done. Yes, isnt it shocking that some people would voice that a faulty investigation does not matter? This is not the reason she is still locked up. Diane Downs and Alice Crummins were considered sluts and cold-blooded women and were judged on their unusual character. But you are right, some members of the jury and public had a reasonable doubt. Whenever your shoot a gun that many times and that close to the victims, theres going to be blood and powder residues. Foote then handled the juvenile docket and first encountered Downs when he ordered her two surviving children into state protective custody. Diane needs some serious spiritual advancement and atonement before she ever will have or deserve peace. It was such a high profile case and she was found guilty by the media and the court so people are afraid to touch this one. .well yay for youtubelol..is when I first heard her in old interviews. please express them and I will print them. That she had no blood or gun powder anywhere when she allegedly shot at close range? I personally disagree with that practice but it is common. They both fainted when they saw their dead child, but it did not count. Its tiresome. I changed the sites email recently to thetroublewithjustice@hotmail.com Except for Paul Cortez. Insulting a woman in prison since 30 years instead of debating the inconsistencies of this case is pretty pathetic. I point out some obvious facts and discrepancies, and that due process was shoved aside because the state and the media presented a guilty image right from the start. The children should have been receiving therapy throughout. I do not know what happened on Old Mohawk Road on that dark evening, but I know that they did not have enough evidence totry andconvict Diane Downs. So the prosecutor adopted the kids? You indicated you were not going to get a divorce? In an earlier comment you stated that Diane had met all of the requirements for parole. Have you actually read the transcript of the trial?? They had him micromanaged, and with the testimony of little Christie they were in business: argumentative Spiritual advancement and atonement? Ive done my research. No conflict of interest from a prosecutor adopting a defendants children 2 years after the fact? And that Ann Rule took advantage of the situation to sell her book. The DA that put away their mom is not an appropriate placement choice. And she laughed at it by saying it was healthy to want to join the free world, especially if you proclaim your innocence. that you told Diane to tell steve that she was Knicks Up. She threw her keys yet was able to take off right away?? Only the people who present ongoing threats to the safety of the public in general are the ones this sentence is reserved for. The detective said if Diane would just testify against Steve Downs, she and her children could go home and try to put their lives back together. I am not sure. Removing the children from her and presiding over her criminal trial? I was being sarcastic. I personally dont think she is innocent but that isnt the point. If the adult can show capacity and willingness to provide care, love and nurturing to the children, then there is no legal reason to prevent them from becoming Foster Carers. I talked about her still being locked up, all these years later, because I really want to know is it because we believe she will commit more crimes or is it because we need more revenge? By many accounts, her children adored her. The State produced a witness (Ms. Patterson) to testify that Diane Downs entered the hospital bathroom, left the door open, and ran water in the sink (Appendix 87, page 476). 1) Gunshot residue/blood splatter. As a result, he decided not to attend the rest of the trial. Litigating at the Supreme Court in . He strung her along, played with both womens emotions, and after saying he would join her in Oregon, reneged and stayed with his wife. It took months to get Christie to say that her mother was the culprit and that is when they arrested Diane. I went on ebay and ordered multiple stuff from the 80s, news footage, just to hear what she sounded like, because of all the talk in the book about her demeanor. If Oregonians were not all convinced at first, the media and the crown made sure they would be. Even prosecutor Fred Hugi was seen walking the grounds to try to find the weapon. So yes I think she did it, I think ration left her a long before she did itI think post pardum played in this, I think, she was scattered all over the map.againjust hearing it in her own words. A conviction founded on lies is no conviction at all. Page 50 of Case History 2. Thanks for the link. This is an extremely tragic case and her children at the very least deserve justice. Why didnt they mention that he said a bad man and whatever else in his condition when they knew it was not possible? I had visited Dr. Billings site several times and it is too bad that it was removed. In 1991, David Brewer, a juror who deliberated Dianes fate in her 1984 trial, came forward to say he and another juror had decided to acquit Downs by the close of the States presentation. To have separated Christie from her brother and the rest of the family to be able to get her mom was unconscionable. To Lori Too bad it triggered you, maybe try to stay away from sites that might not go along with the mob mentality and usual media narrative. Common sense will tell this Court, when Diane accidently slammed her mangled arm into the steering wheel of Detective Tracys car, it was ANYTHING but a laughing matter. The person who shot the kids was leaning inside the car because they were shot at close range. I know several people who know or knew both of the surviving children as well as Diane. You said that the absence of both prove she couldnt have been to shooter and you claim it takes real scrubbing to remove GSR. Open ended sentences like this are meant to provide a means of control and public safety when considering dangerous offenders who may pose a continued risk to the public. Any thoughts on how the detectives basically made up their mind right away in spite of numerous tips coming in? She even became a surrogate mother to make money and provide two parents the opportunity to have a child. Therefore, my understanding is that the original sentence is deemed indefinite with parole hearings every 10 years. Conflicting reports say Downs also acted as a surrogate during her fourth pregnancy, giving birth to a daughter after her trial in 1984. Plus, the circumstances of this charade were more than sinister. It does seem time has done worse to her. During his travels, he visited prisons and spoke against this type of barbarism because his father was imprisoned for a debt of 40 pounds and 10 shillings when he was twelve years. Im from Australia and have recollections of this case. I asked her brother James an answer to your question. In 1992 I became involved in this work following my interest and research into a notorious murder trial that was held in Oregon many years ago. The bitches own daughter identified Downs as the shooter. danny also said a cartoon character shot themalso he was SHOT IN THE BACK how could he see the shooter????????? This was all logged in Christies hospital reports and is found in the Appendix of the petition filed in Federal Court in 1996 in the section Hospital Reports. Cheryl was shot twice in the back and one of the bullets ended up on the floorboard. Only in Hollywood and in Ann Rules books, would you find such fantasy: Relevance? I was a patient of the doctor who worked so hard to save her childrens lives that night. The trial was a whole miscarriage, that seems undeniable. Her family members were quite capable of taking care of the children. Diane clearly would have had to have had her rights terminated by the court. I agree. The Lifetime channel constantly makes movies based loosely on the truth; this approach is an effective weapon aimed at swaying public opinion about high-profile cases. Farrah had trouble with the law because of a passionate love affair with a movie director. I will not remove anything. Just state that at the beginning of the blog. She was found guilty. Any thoughts on that? Lise lasalle you mention THIS When she (Diane) resisted, he shot her kids and struggled with her. Mostly, because it was poorly investigated and they focused on Diane solely the minute they met her. Judges are subject to certain ethical standards and have a duty to be impartial. A group of ladies formed a group called HELDD which stands for Help Exonerate & Liberate Diane Downs. They are set in stone and people refuse to see it any other way. It was all about Charlene wanting KnickKnick ~wanting Dianeand Diane wanting a return to the peace she had before Knick asked his wife for a divorce. Yes, Christie said she did not know who did it. In fact, I am surprised that people are not flabbergasted by the way this case was handled and tried and that what bothers them most is that I try to discuss it in a blog and dare defending this woman. The first two children were Diane's kids with her ex husband Steve Downs. She also told media she became pregnant without Steve's "permission." 4 Steve has never spoken publicly about his ex-wife, Diane Credit: AP Most read in News Libby, I quoted what Diane said. She unwillingly followed the cops in spite of being in pain and not wanting to leave the premises. The most recent tape of her daughter is not admissible because it is never allowed to bring out tapes that were obtained this way. They went through the process which demonstrates a certain level of commitment in itself. I then question how she would not have blood splatter if she shot them inside the car at close range. 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