I saw the documentaryand I am speechless. Temptation Island: What Happened To Casey & Ashley After Season 2? MORRISON: And then, in the spring of 1995, Andrew found someone, a Newfoundlander, also a doctor in training, a woman named Shirley Turner. Shirley Turner had some startling news. Turner, then 40, drove the 950 miles straight through and arrived at Andrews door at 5 a.m. keep him safe, which they feared was about to become even more difficult. ', Mr. SIMPSON: And I told him, I said, `You know, Andrew, when I break up with somebody and put them on a plane and send them 1300 miles away,' I said, `They knock on my front door, I'm going out the back door and I'm calling the police.' Shortly after being taken into custody, Turner announced that she was pregnant with Andrew's child, a boy she named Zachary. When Turner arrived in Canada, she moved into an apartment in St. Johns with her college-age son, T.J. Shears. Temptation Islandairs Tuesdays at 10 pm ET on USA. put Zachary on her lap to open presents, and he resists. Thought, you know, `Who would want to kill him?'. Christopher Snow, of St. Michael and All Angels Church, which the Bagbys attended in Newfoundland. They seemed so real and genuine, and showed more raw emotion than any survivor of a crime I hadn't ever seen before. But something kept me going, and. MORRISON: Andrew Bagby. Initially, Andrew's close friend Kurt Kuenne, a filmmaker, intended the film as a personal memorial and scrapbook so that Zachary could know the kind of person his father was. Nobody drives 16 hours after you've just broken up with them.' Time to stay civil with the woman who killed their child. I had a husband I loved. "He was beautiful," Kate . He was the whole world to them. Mr. SHEARS: She's kind of reliving a university life again. You can't tell them this over the phone. Unidentified Man #25: I love them very much. Woman #9: to make that journey was awful. Did. No spoilers here for my friends but you must watch this film. The night was. He'd been shot five times, including once in the back of the head, execution style. . "This is it recognition by the legal community, which includes Parliament, that bail had something to do with Zachary's death. By Zacharys birthday in July 2003, Turners fight against extradition had suffered another blow. The days Andrew and his buddies would goof-off, watch movies and sleep over right there in the family room. Immortalized in the spellbinding documentary Dear Zachary, this angry, raw, and brutally honest true crime memoir of murder and loss chronicles a system's failure to prevent the death of a child. It, (Photo of Shirley; Shirley, Zachary and David; photos of Shirley and Zachary). Why? It's. I'm just looking for somebody to hang out with and have fun here in school.' You know what, when Andrew didn't show up at 7:30, I knew something was very wrong. The world is a better place because David and Kate are in it! Someone found a car that didn't belong. Kind of panic sets in, I guess, and that's when it all hit the fan, I guess. And because he made friends easily, the Bagbys home was the hangout for Andrew and his friends. KATE: And she went over in the corner crying, and I gave him back. There was the swimming pool and the pool table and the parents who were always there, but never in the way. It looked like an open-and-shut case but, before the police could arrest her, Turner fled over the Canadian border, back home to St John's, in Newfoundland. Dear Zachary: A Letter to a Son about His Father is a 2008 documentary detailing the life and death of one Dr. Andrew Bagby, a resident at a family practice in Latrobe, Pennsylvania. She eventually kills Zachary in a murder-suicide. "Honestly, that's one of the things that makes me most happy about the passage of the law," he said from Burbank, Calif. "I hope it will enable them to kind of move on mentally and enjoy good things in life. I couldn't see the point anymore. (Photo of Shirley; "Canada" on building; T.J. Shears walking), Mr. T.J. SHEARS: My mom was just like, `Oh, hey.' Either she's grabbed Zachary and taken off and she's trying to, escape, and she has a snowball's chance in hell of getting away with that. Andrew assured his filmmaker friend Kurt that the 40-year-old was a passing fancy. The couple left Canada and returned to California - but the tortuous memories followed. Click above for unlimited listening to select audiobooks, Audible Originals, and podcasts. MORRISON: Was she taunting them, they wondered? in honor of his beloved friend Andrew, and then for Andrew's son, Zachary. I didn't even know why I was going, other than Mom didn't want. "They are appalled and outraged.". If. The couple's long fight for legal changes in Canada ended Wednesday with a new law. With Shirley Turner out of jail it was time for the Bagbys to clench their teeth again. Right, right. I mean, the best man is really the groom. "We had a complete meltdown," says David. I became very emotional with this horrifying tale of injustice. Box 500 Station A Toronto, ON Canada, M5W 1E6. ', Because I know you would be worried if we disappeared for a couple of days or, MORRISON: Was she planning something? I sat there. MORRISON: What did you think when you heard that? More than all that, the Bagbys tale is about two people who endured one personal tragedy, which was compounded in harrowing ways that would surely crush most of us. whether she was capable of hurting Zachary. She's very active online and has kept fans updated on her dating life, including her new man. They would go to Pennsylvania to . (Newspaper rack; photo of Shirley and Zachary), Mr. BAGBY: (Press conference) I am going to continue to scream long and loud, MORRISON: The Bagbys have continued a campaign for the overhaul, of the bail system. Did anyone have more friends than he? KATE: I sat there and bit my lip and cried. Yes,they were innocent as well, but I feel it takes a big person to rise abouve it all and not harbour animosity towards those people. The Bagbys attended the hearing, of course, and, could not quite believe their ears when they heard the judge's ruling. For parents Dave and Kate, the pain was unbearable? Inspired by his mother's tales of interesting medical cases and wonderful patients, Andrew decided he would be a doctor. murderer in check. MORRISON: Do you find yourself going back and playing that back in your mind? In fact, Turner would travel frequently from Iowa to visit Andrew in Latrobe, something shed done the week before he was killed. He found that officials working on a presumption of Turner's innocence were more worried about her welfare than that of her son. His arguments towards the refusal of parole for alleged murderers is superb and really shows how idiotic the laws can be. And I don't know, I just lay on top of her and we, MORRISON: T.J. opened the door to police, too, and heard the. They were forced to hand Zachary back to Turner and, again, tiptoe around her. IRS delays tax deadline for Bay Area, but California hasn't followed: What should you do? MORRISON: You didn't seriously think of--I mean, you talk about this plan Mr. BAGBY: Absolutely. The book is not written as a narrative, with suspense building until we find out what eventually takes place. I would have to dream up some reason to go over, there in the middle of the night, to--for me to just appear on her doorstep, Mr. BAGBY: Turned out I wasn't. David has written a book about the case, Dance with the Devil: A Memoir of Murder and Loss. CONTRIBUTED BY DAVID AND KATE BAGBY Sixteen years have passed but for the Bagbys the story of the deaths of their only son and grandson resurfaces all the time. We would've done handstands and cartwheels to. Why don't you just take him?'. Click to share on Facebook (Opens in new window), Click to share on Twitter (Opens in new window), Click to email a link to a friend (Opens in new window), Click to share on Reddit (Opens in new window), Chart: Bay Area rainfall totals for this week, Contact Mike Cassidy at mcassidy@mercurynews.com or (408) 920-5536. You were done. The next day, his body was found riddled with bullets. Kate, with her lovely British accent, moves between dry wit and devastating regret as she remembers. And that always radiated through the house.. I said, `Do not meet her in private.' GARDNER: (Audio recording) I have to tell you that Andrew is dead. Unfortunately, it went out of print and is very expensive to purchase. Mr. SHEARS: I thought they were great with him. The Bagbys are extraordinary people. MORRISON: But then things changed. We decided that on the plane.. Mr. BAGBY: Oh, this ranks right up there. Mr. BAGBY: That's one of the options, and that's the one we hoped for. The only thing about his life that didn't make sense to some friends and family was his relationship with that doctor from Newfoundland, the one he'd started dating when going to medical school there. The two also had trust issues they were trying to overcome on Temptation Island,as they had both cheated on their previous partners. What shocked fans the most was that Kate actually took David back, and the pair dated for a while after the show aired. I had NO idea what the outcome was going to be. David was taking pictures, Kate says. With Zachary strapped to her stomach with a sweater, she jumped into the Atlantic Ocean. It's great. For the Bagbys, Zacharys birth was the start of more than a year of renewed joy and incomprehensible pain. For the first time in years, David Bagby and his wife Kate are decorating their home for Christmas. I was like, `Oh, OK, yeah.' Very brave parents. Just before 6 a.m. the next day, a park visitor found Andrew Bagbys frost-covered body lying face down in the parking lot. Except he picked up as this reporter was leaving a voicemail explaining the call from Newfoundland to Sunnyvale, Calif. endure another round of grief when Turner has another psychotic episode and drowns herself in the ocean along with Zachary. She was here.' Kate, who is six years older than David and had been married before, was ready to get married again and start a family, while David was not at that point in his life. Mackenzie spent a semester studying abroad in Dublin, and has had the travel bug ever since. At some point, police say, Turner tied the arms of her jacket together to lash Zachary to her as she walked carrying him. It could spare other families the rage and pain suffered by the couple since the murder of their grandson, Zachary, at the hands of his mother in Newfoundland. GARDNER: (Audio recording) I'm interested in the gun. GARDNER: (Audio recording) Would you be willing to turn the gun into your local police department so they could get it to us to let us look at it? thing, because up until Andrew was murdered, I was a Pollyanna. (Photo of Shirley, Kate and Zachary; photo of Shirley, David and Zachary; Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) Well, I just want your word that I'm going to, know where he's at, like any babysitter, you know, if you're going to take him, anywhere, just say, `Shirley, we're going to run out and do this. Mr. BAGBY: We fret and worried and everything. David and Katehad been together for three years when they came on the show. On November 3, 2001, he broke up with Turner at the airport before putting her on a plane back to Council Bluffs, 1,300 miles away. Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) Are you sure? KATE: (Audio recording) Right. any problem at all with them spending time with him, unlike my mother, Mr. SHEARS: I guess I just thought, well, they're kind of accusing her of, murder. Though the 1,100-page Turner report says Turner maintained a fairly active social life while she was fighting extradition, the investigations narrative includes a number of signs that some of her personal relations were strained. Kate and David remember that Andrew was born late. The Bagbys couldn't have been happier, particularly since. That word closure? "All I could say was: 'My son is dead? Dear Abby: Why do they imply my husband is a freak? By this stage, he had moved to a new job in the US. ?I knew what Zachary's fate would be long before it was written about here but it was shattering to read of it from his grandfather's perspective. Their sons killer was off the streets and their grandchild would come live with them. Mr. BAGBY: He's now engaged to this lovely girl, and he's going to go to med school. At first, visitation was limited to one wonderful, torturous hour a week with Zachary. But after a year of trying unsuccessfully to have a baby, Kate started using fertility drugs. Mr. BAGBY: What are you going to say that will MORRISON: And find something she did, going so far as telling, them that they had some anger issues which needed to be addressed by a, (Photo of Shirley; photo of Kate and David), Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) There has been, I guess, a lot of, uncomfortable feeling on both our parts. And now I want to read the book. Wasn't anybody willing to step up(besides the Bagbys) and try to rescue that baby?? The Bagbys went to the morgue to identify their bodies. Mr. KURT KUENNE (Director): I decided to go on the road to interview people, because I thought, you know, he's never going to have a wedding. You never know whats going to make you sit and cry for the day.. Try again. It is absolutely heartbreaking. to reconsider getting some help with that. She's also a market partner with the Monat brand, which sells hair care and wellness products. This is a fascinating,horrific and humbling read. His medical studies in Newfoundland were complete. And if you haven't seen it, you need to. Meeting her at 6. As Kate and David talk about their son, you can see the teamwork. For an optimal experience visit our site on another browser. When we met him, we just melted as if it was magic. I have some hope that telling this story in detail has a chance to cause change in the law, David says of his book. granddad? Reviewed in the United States on October 1, 2022. The movie had me in tears and in rage all at once. If they had awarded custody to the Bagbys and not granted that monster bail Zachary would be a young man and Shirley Turner would be serving her sentence in a Pennsylvania Women's Prison. So intense, horrifying, and yet inspired by the love and devotion of Andrews parents and their dedication to raise and teach their one and only sweet grandson. Mr. BAGBY: I think it was a rage at the person who did this. killed herself and Zachary in a murder-suicide. KATE: I knew exactly what my son looked at before he died. Andrew Bagby was studying at Memorial University medical school in Newfoundland when he met Turner, a fellow medical student 12 years his senior. I didn't have. Eventually, David and Kate broke up for good. MORRISON: The Bagbys said that Shirley would later apologize for, her reaction. How could they dither for months and months. Around 11:30 PM Shirley came downstairs, asking to borrow T.J.'s car. They moved to Newfoundland to give the legal battle their full attention but Turner remained at large. The worst part for me was that Shirley cheated everyone out of seeing justice done. Tragically, this is proven exactly right when she kills Zachary. Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) Or what about the one of me and Andrew? The Bagbys offered each other a balance. The days he and a friend would work on his beloved Celica out in that driveway. The rest of the documentary details the fallout of this tragedy, including Kate and David's activism changed bail laws for suspects of dangerous crimes. We lived for that hour every week.. not only is Shirley Turner never held accountable for murdering Andrew, but she's allowed to keep primary custody of Zachary, ultimately resulting in his death. It is gut wrenching to read the details and to hear how much both Andrew and David were loved by both David and his wife. Murder of Bagby: Shirley Jane Turner: First-degree murder ( died before standing trial) Zachary Andrew Turner (18 July 2002 - 18 August 2003) [2] : 78 was a boy from St. John's, Newfoundland, Canada, who was murdered by his mother, Shirley Jane Turner, in a murder-suicide. It was time for the Bagbys to join Turner and baby Zachary on outings to the local pool. with a supervisor, and we had to be searched. And she followed Andrew to St. John's. Kurt Kuenne embarked on the documentary following the murder of his best friend, Andrew. flying; Canadian flag flying; Supreme Court of Newfoundland building exterior; photos of Shirley; court document; university building; man talking to, reporters; court documents; Kate and David). We. quiet. Theyd fly back to Sunnyvale to hold a memorial service. May give you a new appreciation for being an American. ', MORRISON: But they'd have to wait almost a month. show takes four couples who are having trouble. So far, nothing has changed - but continuing the legal battle helps give David and Kate the strength to carry on. It had happened almost surely the last, night they were together, and DNA tests would later prove that Andrew was, (Supreme Court exterior; court in progress; house exterior; Shirley and Shears. No one in my entire library system owns it either (30+ libraries), so I wound up having to get an interlibrary loan and have this book shipped to me from another state. It's just as heartbreaking as the documentary "Dear Zachary", which I HIGHLY recommend watching. (Newfoundland; Shears driving; photo of Shirley and Zachary; water at night; Mr. SHEARS: She said Zachary was being fussy and that just driving him, around would calm him down. "It was like being at war," adds David. MORRISON: As Kurt tracked down Andrew's friends for the documentary he was making, he discovered that not a one had anything favorable to say about Shirley. Dear Zachary: A Letter to a Son About His Father (2008) 1 Video. Thankfully, their relationship didn't turn into a lifelong romance. Reviewed in the United States on March 14, 2022. This story is about how the justice system in Canada failed the Bagby's -- not only when it comes to extraditing the murderer of their only son, but in aiding the murder of their only grandchild, Zachary -- their last living link to their son. He was to us, like our gift from God. MORRISON: It's no easy thing to be a doctor in America. And if they don't charge her, they had no way to restrict her travel. DNA testing proved he was Andrew Bagbys son. Fans guessed from the beginning that the couple would not make it off ofTemptation Islandtogether, and they were right. Zachary didn't seem like. The Bagbys couldnt imagine a darker moment than their sons November 2001 murder. The treatments worked a sweet miracle and on Sept. 25, 1973, Andrew David Bagby was born. Then when he sort of tried to get her to go away, she wouldnt.. GARDNER: (Audio recording) I understand that. Feb 15, 2022 kate and david bagby still alive. Shockingly, despite everything that happened both on and after the show, Kate and David made another go of it. Temptation Island: What Happened To David & Kate After Season 2? Dr. ANDREW BAGBY: (Wedding videotape) Best man is a little bit of a poor title for these things. Shirley Turner had walked out to the end, of a pier with tiny Zachary strapped to her body with a sweater, then jumped, into the ocean. `When Andrew would cry, David would say, `To think we paid good money for this,' Kate jokes. This provision has a good chance of causing judges and prosecutors to fix what got Zachary killed.". Mr. BAGBY: The police didn't give us very much information, but they started. Just from that, conversation, you could kind of get the sense that she didn't want Zachary, MORRISON: And for the Bagbys, Shirley issued what sounded somehow. We couldnt live without him, Kate Bagby says. Closed Captioning and Described Video is available for many CBC shows offered on CBC Gem. They both rejected her, and she responded by killing them. Trigger warnings for murder, stalking, abuse, and child murder.The Bagbys are saints and seeing the story as it played out for them was better than any true crime book I have read. It was a joy and Zachary was much loved, Kate says. ", He started to cry and reached out for Kate, but Turner held him back and said firmly: "You can't always be with your grandparents.". The legal system helped her kill Zachary. Mr. BAGBY: What a flake. By the looks of it, the two are still together and happily living their lives as a couple. It was deeply affecting and the saddest true crime story I have ever heard of. hoped Shirley Turner would be returned to the US to face a murder trial. (Shirley and Zachary at birthday party; birthday party), KATE: He didn't want to open presents, you know, he wanted to get, down. MORRISON: It was November 2001 when Dr. Andrew Bagby, 28 years old, was found in hospital scrubs lying facedown in the state park in Derry Township, Pennsylvania. Snow. https://www.saltwire.com//california-couple-want-as-many-/ saltwire.com California couple want as many people as possible to know their story | SaltWire I got to see what happens to the bastard who did this. (David and Kate; photo of Andrew by tape being put into recording device; Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) Are you babysitting? In the, tribute documentary their son's best friend Kurt Kuenne was making to someday, give Zachary, the Bagbys' friends recount how difficult it was for David and. Thought that maybe he had found somebody that he could really be happy with. You will get an email reminder before your trial ends. MORRISON: Ah, but there was a lot to say about Andrew. Cookie Notice His parents were ecstatic. (Shears; photo of Shirley, Zachary and Shears; Shears walking), Mr. SHEARS: Suddenly everything rushes into you, and you realize that she, did murder Andrew. This is an amazing true story that waswell, not conveyed with the same fiery delivery seen in the film "Dear Zachary". Mr. BAGBY: Yes. I cried all the way reading this, and also while watching the documentary. I am, just under the surface, perpetually angry. One of the best books that I have ever read. They really wanted to have a relationship with their grandchild. Man #14: I admire you and respect you so much for two things. They told us that they'd found the body. CBC's Journalistic Standards and Practices. Mr. BAGBY: I have a lot of trouble with those things too, and I suspect what really goes on, what's called intuition, is really a very, very complex calculation of lots of little indicators, little things that Andrew said on the phone maybe. Since their son was murdered in 2001 and their year-old grandchild was killed in Newfoundland in 2003,the California couple hasn't bothered decking the halls, but now they're celebrating alegal victory in the case. then one day I realized what it was. the eventual turning of a bill they drafted actually becoming law. After trying to make things work for a while, the pair realized they wouldn't be able to overcome all the negativity and obstacles that developed in their relationship after their time onTemptation Island. MORRISON: The sea at midnight was endless black. In one of the infamous bonfires, David's threesome with two of the single women was shown to Kate. Two months later, with the extradition process still grinding on, Turner announced she was pregnant with Andrew's child. Once, she called him 30 times while he was at a pal's wedding. This hope is brutally extinguished when Shirley kills Zachary on one of her visitations. Sorry, there was a problem loading this page. Hes been murdered, Kate said to David. Kate went to the floor, and I kicked the door and--oh, we, just--just like with Andrew, there's nothing you can do. Kate Bagby still cannot believe that murder has engulfed her life. Time to keep marching, as David says, in order to be there for their grandson. ', KATE: He's so loved. The man said Turner had called him about 200 times in a one-month period, including a call to tell him she was pregnant with his child. What do you want it Mr. BAGBY: Very seriously. She posts with her new love often and is very open about how happy she feels in the relationship. But Andrew's murder was only the first in a string of tragic events. Unidentified Man #21: (Talking in group) I know. The project took a tragic turn and became a catalyst for legal change when Zachary didn't live to see it. For the Bagbys, there could be no better news than Turners imprisonment. He went to work at Latrobe Area Hospital. The show takes four couples who are having trouble in their relationship and separates them from one another. They have a network of supporters. Cpl. What if she is backed in a. corner? Serious crime is rare in this country. A couple whose son and grandson were murdered are celebrating a new law that empowers Canadian courts to refuse bail when a suspect's child may be in danger. March 17, 2007 at 7:39 p.m. Kate and David Bagby knew exactly what they were going to do. MORRISON: When you did find out that she was pregnant, what was your thought? Turner and Zachary were in the shallow kiddie pool. Turner grew up in Canada, where she married and divorced two men and had three children who often lived with their fathers and other relatives. It's pretty easy to analyze what the, options are. On Aug. 5, Turners social worker visited her apartment to check on Turner and Zachary. A variation on glop, adds David, but it was good, often. Newfoundland to meet the now 11-month-old little boy. 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