Im afraid that the influence of the US mega churches such as Elevation is felt throughout the world. [16][17], Central to MacArthur's theology is a very high view of scripture (the 66 books of the Protestant Bible). If I had said that I wasnt happy with any mega church, that would have been a fault as well. Here is Kate Shellnut: Last year, Hohn Cho concluded Grace Community Church had made a mistake. G White had stated that Matt Chandler was not a good example of teaching or living and then went on to pass on gossip about a particular discipline case in the Village Church. The Amazon website only has E S Williams book on sale as 30:08.! [52], Grace Community Church, Sun Valley, California, Independent Fundamental Churches of America, Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, "Theology and Ministry: An Interview with John MacArthur", "1998 Gold Medallion Book Awards Winners", "Voice of Calvary Legacy - The Legacy - Page 3", "When should a Christian fight for his country? The Bad Sadly, whilst every church has the bad, because we are all sinners and therefore infect any structure or organization we are part of, there are sometimes churches that go much further and wander away to the extent that one can hardly call them a church at all. Im sure with a church of such a size these issues are found amongst some, and appropriate discipline and loving correction are needed. [46][47] He stated that there was a deadlier virus killing peoplethe virus of sinleading many to eternal death, in contrast to physical death. L ast week, John MacArthur celebrated 50 years in the pastorate at a conference at his congregation Grace Community Church. Really? That is grotesque manipulation and a parody of the Gospel. Its only your perception and I would deny it. 'Changed My Whole Entire Being': Ex-Strip Club Owner Born Again, Now Works to Help Victims of Sex Trafficking, US Cracks Down, Bans TikTok on All Federal Phones. Its a sad fact that this nonsense is already here in Scotland supported by the new breed of self appointed apostles and prophets. Your other comments were directly applied to the Megachurch movement I follow the goings-on of the mega church para church neocalvinist movement (call it what you will) in the USA and am frequently astounded by their antics. Again I am glad that you were not criticising the whole mega church movement (although I am sure you will understand why your initial post can be read that way).which megachurches are you happy with? MacArthur is a strong proponent of expository preaching, and has been acknowledged by Christianity Today as one of the most influential preachers of his time. 1. "[37], MacArthur is an outspoken critic of same-sex marriage, the ordination of women, the Roman Catholic Church, and the social justice movement. 1) There is no name calling followed by misrepresentative, deceitful and sly go figure! John MacArthur is the pastor-teacher of Grace Community Church, as well as an author, conference speaker, chancellor of The Master's University and Seminary, and featured teacher with the Grace to You media ministry. Its not the first time that youve responded aggressively when a pastor that you hold in such high regard is questioned. So I was pleased to see the topic addressed here, particularly as there is another story breaking about Mr Furtick in North Carolina even as I write this. Oh and sorry about the ironic and sarky remark about being mature enough for you! And it is culturally not relevant to us at all! Wendy Guay's friend, Lisa Ward, was a witness to an attempted abuse by Paul against herself and his own daughter back in 1979. [12], MacArthur's daily radio and television program, Grace to You, now broadcast throughout much of the world, was created by the Grace media team to publicize audio cassettes of sermons; in 1977, it was first broadcast in Baltimore, Maryland. Very pleased with the approval of an $800,000 settlement and total win for my clients, @johnmacarthur and @GraceComChurch, on behalf of @ThomasMoreSoc. This following sermon was full of what can only be called psychobabble. If he is doing wrong it will come out in the wash but just to hate on a pastor because he has money is stupid. I d not think there is any man alive especially a young man who could cope with this degree of adulation and not have his head explode with pride. Because he is a pastor? John MacArthur, senior pastor of Grace Community Church in Los Angeles and founder of his ministry Grace to You, was one of the reported 4,000 pastors who preached last Sunday against. John MacArthur was able to summarize Furtick as a minister with one word: unqualified. issued his own declaration against the county, John MacArthur Warns Christians to Stop Making 'Alliances With Satan' in Remarks on Religious Liberty, Falsely Accused: John MacArthur's Grace Community Church 'Cleared of COVID-19 Outbreak', but Battle Rages On, 'It's Tyranny': Pastor MacArthur Will Get His Day in Court, Fighting CA Shutdown of Churches, Historic Win: John MacArthur Claims Victory in Lawsuit Over Church Restrictions, After Asbury Shutters Revival Services, Outpouring Moved to Lexington Arena: See Full Video Here, 'I Prayed in the Name of Jesus, and He Answered': Heroes Rescue 17,000 While 'Saving Aziz' in Afghanistan. Your other remarks continue to be provocative, misleading and snide and I wont grace them with a reply, other than to say that I have no need to retract any of my remarks, for the reasons already explained to you. Thanks again, Your email address will not be published. Please dont feel sad that someone disagrees with you. But cant we all recognize how difficult we find that? How easily the lure of money and outward success can lead a good man astray, and sadly take with him many people. And not only do they become idlers, but also busybodies who talk nonsense, saying things they ought not to. Your lack of apology (at very least regarding your amazon remarks) has only served to highlight the arrogance and childishness that you displayed in your replies. These views raised controversy within American evangelicalism and were challenged in print by non-lordship dispensationalist theologians Charles Ryrie and Zane C. Hodges, who argued that MacArthur's ministry was teaching a form of works-based salvation. It is indeed a blessto have a fellowship with God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit and indeed the Lord reigns. MacArthur told her she needed to model for her children how to "suffer for Jesus" by enduring David's abuse. If you were not speaking about Chandler then why write it here? It is also grossly unfair (and dishonest) for you to misrepresent my position as making some pastors untouchable. Truth in love. What am I gonna do? So First Dallas Baptist is an acceptable mega church but the Village church isnt? Powered and implemented by FactSet Digital Solutions. In 2019, at the Truth Matters Conference, during another word association questionnaire, MacArthur was given the prompt "Beth Moore". I live maybe two hours from the Village and have visited twice. The trouble is that these churches are so massive and wealthy that they can afford to send their pastors all over the world, exporting their dodgy theology and even dodgier ecclesiology. [51] They have four children, fifteen grandchildren, and had two great-grandsons by 2017. Its mainly a forlorn appeal but can we say to the mega churches please stop it! He is currently the chancellor emeritus of The Master's University in . I know in theory you agree with He must increase, I must decrease as do I. That is just nuts. L.A. County has reportedly spent nearly $1 million in attorneys fees and other costs since the legal battle with Grace Community Church began. The challenge (as you have already pointed out) is to warn and admonish from a place of love, and of course to pray. Btw, yes Im a pastor of a tiny church and I have worked multiple jobs all 20 years I have been at the church to make ends meet. . G White I am really sorry to read your last reply. As so often in the church, sex, money and power are the real problems for many because they are the idols of our hearts. Sums it all up. MacArthur also refused to enforce mask and social distancing guidelines for congregants. "Many of you are praying for Pastor Johns health due to his absence from the pulpit during the second service. As for Southern Baptists liking Donald Trump, its almost as bad as you liking Scottish Nationalism. They do things right. And whilst there are some who have a tremendously positive influence, I suspect that the majority do more harm than good. Mutual Fund and ETF data provided by Refinitiv Lipper. 3) You respond by providing no evidence and say that you are not against mega churches. Yea not Steve but the ones who bash or become busy bodies against him. Thats why we view every news story through the lens of faith. 2) There are inherent dangers in mega churches which some of your other contributors have highlighted. 1) I did not come on to your blog and say that Matt Chandler was not a good example of how the gospel should be lived. This photo posted to Twitter by Phil Johnson shows a full sanctuary at Grace Church on Sunday, July 26, 2020. Cameron Buettel, Grace To You, Hillsong, Jeremiah Johnson, music, worship. A point you also mentioned. You are aware of them as you demonstrated when writing about Mr Furtick. Do you still endorse it? So it wasnt all bad. The Church of England's compromise on same-sex relationships is disastrous for everyone. All rights reserved. You were rightthat was not very mature. | Screenshot: YouTube/Grace to You Prominent pastor and theologian John MacArthur has come under fire after a video resurfaced of him taking issue with the idea of "religious freedom," with some Christian speakers debating whether his comments were taken out of context. Legal Statement. He spoke for an hour without notes and held his audience completely in the palm of his hand he is a brilliant orator using all the tricks of the trade. 1) There is only One only speaks the truth and it aint Steven Furtick. Its not loving, judgemental, take the beam out of your own eye, it aint wrong to be rich, youre just jealous, hypocrite. They are usually absorbed in religion for self-centered reasons. I am happy though if you wish to withdraw your initial comments. I made no comment on how Matt Chandler lives as a Christian.you didyou declared I was somewhat alarmed by the endorsement of Matt Chandler as a good example of how the gospel should be preached and lived.. On February 9, 1969, he was hired as the third and youngest pastor at the nondenominational Grace Community Church of Sun Valley, California. http://thewartburgwatch.com/?s=Matt+chandler&x=0&y=0 I love the gospel, and I love the Lords people from whatever background, and I want to see Christ glorified throughout the world. I wonder if you thought the same and you told me that in order to come across as thinking that you mentioned one which you thought was ok/good. . ", "What is dispensationalism? It is an appalling rant already and Ive only read the first couple of chapters. Ive only just seen the comments you wrote yesterday, Sunday, and again today. I stated that the danger comes from false teachers AND from those who allow the word of God to be compromised by turning a blind eye. More here: https://mrayton.wordpress.com/tag/john-macarthur/, Thanks very helpfulalthough I think that the money and the me focus are a key part of the false teaching. But to me that is clear what it is. What a waste of a fantastic talent. And I wasnt using any of the debating society tricks of tu quoque and ad hominem in anything that I said. Sitting in a restaurant in Charleston, North Carolina, we were delighted to meet a group of four men, who included a young man from the UK, who was working for a church called Elevation in Charlotte. John MacArthur and the folks from Grace to You (GTY) have done the body of Christ a great service by continually warning Christianity against the growing dangers within the Charismatic movement. Pastor / Teacher. [15], Nearly 43 years after beginning in the pulpit of Grace Community, MacArthur completed one of his own life goals,[2] that of preaching through the entire New Testament on June 5, 2011. . Follow TheWeeFlea.com on WordPress.com document.getElementById( "ak_js_1" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); Enter your email address to subscribe to this blog and receive notifications of new posts by email. In October 2013, his church hosted a conference called "Strange Fire" to mark the launch of a book of the same name. "We are not heard for our many words, but for the cry of our hearts." I might write a review later but the book is dreadful Mark Driscoll and Tim Keller, for example, are frequently careless and irreverent in the way they use Scripture. Really? I would ask you to withdraw your remarks about legalism.posting serious allegations.refusing to substantiate them if you are in any way suggesting that I am such a person. IMHO he totally manipulated the emotions of his audience and used the scriptures in an inappropriate way. March 5, 2021 . My point was that its not only out and out heretics, such as McKenna, who are a danger to the church. To reject its claims is to call Him a liar. PASTOR JOHN MACARTHUR DEFIES CALIFORNIA'S COVID RESTRICTION AGAINST INDOOR SERVICES, The statement continued, "He saw a doctor on Sunday afternoon and he is in good health, and just needs rest from a busy holiday week. The screenshot below is from page 4 of Elevation Church's helpful Spontaneous Baptism How To Guide. Is this success? I dont know enough about Elevation to make that kind of judgment, but there are warning signs. One such person who has joined the ranks of GTY is Cameron Buettel, author . "[44], In 2020 and 2021, during the COVID-19 global crisis, MacArthur contravened orders from Los Angeles County public health officials regarding services at Grace Community Church, and insisted that no one from the church had become seriously ill, despite reports to the contrary. Its not the unadulterated Word of God for our generation. 3) Yes you did engage in gossip writing about a child sex scandal without context.you may not see it as such. They make their workers and volunteers sign a confidentiality arrangement that they will not disclose anything about the finances of the church, or they will be sued. Los Angeles County had sued the church and its pastor, John MacArthur, last August after officials said he had he opened the church and held a large indoor worship service with unmasked attendees . But in this instance let me assure you I am not mocking. My main problem about the teaching is that it seems to be so man/woman centred. We welcome another new contributor, Edward Benitez, as he biblically critiques a sermon given by Steven Furtick. He argued at the time that such mandates violated constitutionally protected religious liberties. MacArthur was also given an honorary degree from Talbot Theological Seminary (Doctor of Divinity, 1977) and from Grace Graduate School (1976). [20] The event featured a number of speakers who argued for cessationist theology and strongly critiqued the Charismatic Movement. Some are good, some are bad. This has become an increasing generational divide, where self help and selfishness mixed with weird legalism has been manufactured, packaged, and sold as faith. (Note the attempted injection of humour!). No-one can find out what Pastor Stephen is paid, although it is decided by a committee of out of town pastors/advisors (who are probably on the same arrangement). I have a suspicion that much of the health and wealth teaching which is plaguing much of the church in Africa, Asia and South America is primarily an export from the US, with perhaps a little help from Europe, (all in the name of spreading the gospel). It is no improvement on, or explanation of, the Word of God. 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