Get new articles and breaking news delivered to your inbox. Keep in touch with Julie and get updates in your inbox! Give a gift of $30 or more to The Roys Report this month, and you will receive Escaping the Maze of Spiritual Abuse by Dr. Lisa Oakley and Justin Humphreys. On social media, too, some church members said race played no role in the failed vote. In November, just weeks after the church excommunicated 18 members, John Garippa, a longtime FBC Naples member who led two popular Bible Studies at FBC Naples, left the church. First Baptist Church Naples. The Asbury Revival Is Over. I am not lesser or better, but different. Multiple sources claiming to be from FBC Naples have reached out to Pulpit & Pen and Reformation Charlotte and we are currently assessing the accounts of these individual. United States I spoke at length with this individual and how no reason to doubt the veracity of the individuals accounts. First Baptist Naples has a byzantine process that allows the pastoral staff to recommend to the deacons the expulsion of a member. Here is a prime example of CRT. It also shapes my needs, which tend to go forgotten or overlooked if you refuse to see I am a black woman. If all things had been equal and fair, our story would not have reached as far and wide, and stoked the emotions that it has. Just because no one blatantly used a racial slur or expressed overtly racist statements does not mean that racism was not expressed or used during the selection process. So sick of this hate and evil which is exactly what this all is. I think this one would have died even if none of this soap opera garbage had taken place. Wickers hopes for a smooth transition have been dashed. Ready to start serving? "First Baptist Church Naples is doing excellent work through disaster relief," said Wayne Briant, southwest regional catalyst for the Florida Baptist Convention. Jesus said that He wants us to all be in unity and that He is building a church. Masters of Divinity in Christian Apologetics, New Orleans Baptist Theological Seminary Naples, FL 34109 (239) 597-2233. Our constitution and bylaws stated that a Senior Pastor must be affirmed by at least an 85% or higher vote. Per the church's constitution and bylaws, a senior pastor must be affirmed by a margin of at least 85% of the vote, but Hayes only garnered 81%of the vote, with 1,552 "yes" votes compared to 365 "no" votes. The final vote was 81 percent in favor and 19 percent against. 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We are simultaneously soldiers, commissioned to wage war for the defense and dissemination of the truth in the face of countless onslaughts against it. Dorrill also serves on FBC Naples finance committee. Marcus Hayes, an African-American who is on staff at Biltmore Church in the Asheville, North Carolina area, was the candidate. What Happens Now? Hayes Wicker was the pastor of First Baptist Church of Naples (Florida) for 27 years. political and theological statements and his lack of experience leading a Grateful that FBCN is moving toward amputating the racists, tweeted Rev. Christian Rocker Posts Stunning Response to Recent Apostasy of Christian Leaders, Chicago Radio Host & a Former Bodyguard Say James MacDonald Asked Them to Arrange Murders, James MacDonald Took Millions from Harvest & Now Demands Broadcast Ministry, Mancow Airs Shocking Comments By James MacDonald: My Response. This group was engaged in an email campaign to inform church members about various concerns with Marcus Hayes. Well-sourced. That's why Hayes was not officially approved, when in past years he would have been. Similarly, an article in The Grio asked, Did a Florida church not hire a pastor because he was Black? And Christianity Today stated, Black Pastor Candidate Withdraws After Controversial Vote at SBC Megachurch.. Terms of Service "Marcus Hayes, a highly respected and a well-qualified pastor, remains the man that we believe God has called to be our next pastor," Dorrill said to a standing ovation from the congregation. We have known Hayes & his family as good Christian people etc.for over 25 years. The so-called dissenters had issues with what the church was doing WELL BEFORE Marcus Hayes arrived. Submit. Wicker said the future for him and his wife is uncertain. It is widely known that an 85% affirmative vote is unusually high. Opinion: What is Revivaland is it Happening at Asbury? Come see the Living Christmas Trees. Now with COVID-19 churches this size are facing a very quick death. My heart goes out to his family. Gas. And thats shepherding many hundreds of people over many years., In its open letter to the SBC, FBC Naples lay leaders and staff wrote that they know racial prejudice contributed to Marcus Hayess failed vote because of the campaign that started just days before by a few disgruntled people in our church., Presumably, the campaign to which the letter is referring is an email that was sent from the Concerned Members to those who had signed the petition shortly before the Hayes vote, requesting a special business meeting. I just want to point out that when you say things like I am in a biracial marriage, it sounds a LOT like I have a black friend. Trust me, that gets you little more than eye-rolling. However, CT said it was not able to confirm whether Biltmore Church received such communications. Hi, Carla. I actually want you to see me as a black woman, because that has shaped my experiences in life how people have reacted to me, treated me, etc. First Naples || Livestream - Streaming live from Naples, FL. How about Luke 16:11 So if you have not been trustworthy in handling worldly wealth, who will trust you with true riches? Men who run a church into so much debt that it is soon bankrupt with one plague of pestilence, why do we believe Jesus gave such man any true riches or wisdom at all? He shared some examples, including one from a woman who said the church had failed to check Hayes' Twitter account and called him a "radical leftist. In the tweet, the attorney, Lee Merritt, wrote in part that investigators claim "all the shooter saw was black" and said that was "exactly the problem.". First, I didnt think it was fair to put a new pastor in the midst of such corruption and confusion. Since the failed vote, other allegations have surfaced. *I use scare quotes because the Woke phenom is only relevant in a certain context: it is very Americentric (talking like all white people are the same, for example), and not culturally or ethnically sensitive at all when on looks at the ethnic makeup of the church IN OTHER COUNTRIES. "Unfortunately our church familys business has become fodder for spotlight-seeking bloggers and others who are commenting about Christians whom they do not know personally, and slandering a church that they know little about," Sonya Stearns, a member of the church, said in an email to the Daily News. In his quote-tweet, Hayes said Roberson was in his student ministry while he was a youth pastor in Chicago. They arrived in Naples and gathered other Baptist families to meet with them in a small outbuilding behind the local grocery store, meeting for their first worship . Help Guides One screenshot of a tweet included in the email centers around the fatal shooting of a black security guard by a white police officer in suburban Chicago last year. Ricardo Barbosa December 25, 2014. their sin. Does my agreement with Dr. King and my deep concerns about intersectionality, et al, make me a racist? For 27 years Hayes Wicker and his family faithfully devoted their lives to Gods calling in ministry at FBCN. I can tell you unequivocally racist did NOT play any part in the actions of decision of the excommunicated members of FBC. Church leaders at First Baptist Church Naples have blasted a faction of their congregation, alleging "racial prejudices" contributed to a failed vote late last month to name a black man the church's new senior pastor. The congregation must find a way to publicly be able to bring Hayes Wicker and his family back into this fellowship as loved and former members. Yet despite all thats happened, Wicker said, I pray people would not use this to come against megachurches or seeing all committees as bad., Similarly, Caudill stated, First Baptist Naples still has potential to be used greatly by God. "Misinformation, fear, and ignorance of social media platforms played a role in the voting, and we, as a church family, are dealing with those issues.". fell short of the 85% vote required to install him as a pastor. JUST STOP THE HATE. Considering slave owners slept with slaves (even in my own ancestry), whites befriended their black help all while denying their equal rights it is possible to have friends and even spouses of other races and still have issues with bias and prejudice. But am I not allowed to vote based on my opinion without being called a racist? If there is any racism its from Pastor Hayes and his endorsement of Woke Movement. Dorrill said at the Nov. 2 service thatdisciplinary action "towards church members who have violated our church covenant by causing dissension, disruption and spreading of misinformation have been taken and are underway. For sales or technical support please click here. ", Church officials, however, have been largely mum on the details of the alleged campaign and racism. ", Dorrill said there had been "a concerted campaign of misinformation filled with destructive and divisive content." The Marcus Hayes vote was used to cry wolf. More: Read the letter from the church to the Southern Baptist Convention, "Our Pastoral Staff and leadership are deeply grieved and embarrassed," Edie wrote. Rather than bringing members who are accused of sin before the church body for examination, members are being removed from the church rolls through actions taken directly by deacons and pastoral staff without a vote of the church body. They make me want to Puke profusely second only to Calvary Chapel. The first to plead his case seems right, Until another comes and examines him. First Baptist Church of Naples Florida Openly Admits Congregational Racism October 30, 2019 by admin In a recent story from Religion News Source (RNS) it was revealed that First Baptist Church of Naples, Florida, failed to elect a new pastor because he was black. We are frankly disappointed that no resolution is making it impossible as at now for all the lovely folks within Naples to move forward. At the same time, some members were concerned about some of his social media posts that might indicate support for a pro-abortion, pro-LGBTQ Democrat presidential candidate, his endorsement of the problematic book Woke Church, his blocking some FBCN members on his social media platforms, and other theological, political, and administrative issues. First Baptist Church Naples, she said,"is not a racist church by any stretch of the imagination. There is no room in our Gospel for racism, none whatsoever. . In addition to this ungodly action, a criminal investigation was instigated by church leadership over email addresses that were allegedly stolen from the church by an anonymous group calling itself Voices of FBCN. . Namely Hayes Wicker. Selected and edited comments from an article by Carl Trueman, Revoice, Evangelical Culture, and the Return of an Old Friend (July 31, 2018). So much for giving church members the benefit of the doubt. So we are ambassador-soldiers, reaching out to sinners with the truth even as we make every effort to destroy the lies and other forms of evil that hold them in deadly bondage. The film makes note that Marcus Hayes was subsequently ramrodded in Crossroads Church Texas. Instead, Wicker was quickly forced out. It also appears that the SBC concluded too soon who was in the right. I would know. But what was concluded was that all things were not fair nor were they right. More than 450 emails in support of Hayes were received by the church in the past four days, Dorrill said during the Nov. 2 service. If this were a Calvary Chapel organization, or any other offshoot of Chuck Smiths piracy, no one would be surprised. What Bible verse says that it is a good idea to borrow money to make your church building bigger and more fancy? When I look at Jesus and his disciples I do not see anything that looks as atrocious as this mess. And they said, Surely, you will not die. More Emails: FBC Naples Concerned Party Defends Itself Against Accusations of Racism, VIDEO: A look at the problems at FBC Naples, FBC Naples Insider Speaks Out About Alleged Racism and Unbiblical Excommunications at FBC Naples, Leaked Emails Show That FBC Naples Members Had Serious Concerns About Marcus Hayes Biblical Qualifications. Allegedly he said he was happy to see some people in SBC membership moved to the bottom as others move to the top. Editors note: This story has been updated to reflect accurate information regarding the participants at a meeting of FBC Naples leaders on April 23. We met his wife and daughters. Wicker spent 27 years as pastor of First Baptist Church of Naples. Im too far away to comment on the specific allegations, but whatever the truth of each, its pretty clear that youve got at least two strong factions in church leadership, and possibly also the church as a whole, which need to have a come to Jesus moment in terms of this is how you do, and this is how you do not do, ministry., The utter disrespect shown previous Pastor Wicker is atrocious and unchristian to say the least. Hi. We are so glad you've chosen to join us. The biggest reason most did not vote yes, had to do with the fact that people didnt think it was fair to ask Marcus to uproot his family and relocate to a church that was in COMPLETE turmoil and had a leadership that was REFUSING to acknowledge it. Church leadership responded in an email to members, calling the Voices of FBCNs email inaccurate and slanderous and claiming that a security breach of the churchs email list had occurred. THAT IS OK! Pastor John David Edie, who wrote the open letter to the SBC on behalf of leaders at FBC Naples, alleging racism, resigned in early December. Enough racists voted against the pastor. ", CONSIDER SUBSCRIBING TODAY: Help support local journalism, More: Read the letter from First Baptist to church members regarding voting results, In a letter to church membersshortly after the failed vote, the church pointed the finger at groupscalled "Voices of FBCN" and"Group of Concerned FBCN Members.". Give Online. Some of these blacks are church leaders. Dorrill near the end of a Nov. 2 service told the congregation that "the integrity of our election last weekend was compromised. FBC Naples, Floridas longtime senior pastor Hayes Wicker announced his retirement from pastoring the church in January 2019. But with all due respect, be careful commenting on things you dont understand or have first hand knowledge of. @DooWopCokeFan Please try to understand something: NOT ALL BLACK PEOPLE THINK ALIKE. This remains an elephant in the room at every worship service at that church. Toward that end, the site requires that people use their full name when commenting. For the church's leadership, "it exposed a sickness in what we characterize as a cancer within our fellowship," he continued in the letter, which also asked for forgiveness from Hayes and his wife and "any other person who has been offended, hurt, or damaged by the outcome" of the vote. weekend the congregation failed But we are not merely ambassadors. This is a clear case of men doing what they can to build their own kingdoms, not Jesus and to manipulate things into their own will being done, again not Jesus. Ungodly treatment of a Godly man and his entire family, not to mention those whose leadership and dedication to the Lord was well-known and long-standing. Give a gift of $30 or more to The Roys Report this month, and you will receive a copy of Escaping the Maze of Spiritual Abuse by Dr. Lisa Oakley and Justin Humphreys. Our Vision. Also, the concept of colorblindness is nice in theory but is biologically impossible (unless you are colorblind). This sort of trashing of fine people is becoming commonplace is an SBC I was once very happy to be a part of. Stephens said neither she nor any member of her family wrote the e-mail, adding that none of the church staff ever reached out or spoke to me. She also said the detectives told her that no criminal actions had taken place.. Am I not allowed as a deacon and 15+ year member of the church to ask questions about leaders who in my opinion have lied and deceived the church for political gain? Sources close to the church administration have said they fear raising any issues that might bring adverse consequences to them, their children, or their grandchildren. If I had known that, there would have been no resignation whatsoever.. (Hey, and I know white people who love Woke Church!) I left the church. But I dont see how the spirit of God can move among those people, unless they are willing to understand what has happened and admit that what they have done is absolutely atrocious, ungodly, unjust, and even in violation of their own bylaws.. When you see me, you will see I am a black woman. Of course they did. As a side note, is the implication that if a white* person disagrees with a person of colour on the legitimacy of Woke political philosophy/identity-building/self-definition in the church, that person must necessarily be a racist? Garippa, who was never part of Concerned Members of FBCN, declined to comment on why he left FBC Naples. Hayes did not suddenly abandon his faith in the few months between his announcement that he was stepping aside, as he was being felt led to do, to make room for younger leadership and his sudden dismissal by the FBCN leadership. Dwight McKissic for comment, but none responded. Now, everything I just said is my opinion. The actions described in this article, which by the way are just the tip of the iceberg, were unloving, ungodly, and unbecoming of pastors charged with shepherding Gods flock. But more importantly, Ericksen said, members feel their voice isn't being heard by church leaders. Also, any comments with profanity, name-calling, and/or a nasty tone will be deleted. JD Greear and his woke cronies attempted a coup at FBC Naples and were thwarted on a grand level. But a question and answer session with Hayes and his wife held by the church on Oct. 24 offers some glimpses into the opposition that built against the prospective new senior pastor and the apparent rift between church leadership and some in the congregation. The petition for a special business meeting was never even ACKNOWLEDGED by the leadership is a Violation of the bylaws. FBCNaples | Naples FL Our leadership has gone astray, I fear, and those who find the courage to stand up to them have targets on their backs. Doesnt matter what denomination or race you are, all of this drama is toxic on a nuclear level for the body and spirit and surely the work of Satan himself. Bunch of old white guys with too much time on their hands and too many books in their personal theology libraries. We know this because of the campaign that started just days before by a few disgruntled people in our church.. #JemelRoberson https://t.co/Y1dMXQY33N, But the Group of Concerned FBNC Members, citing the tweet, said Hayes should be questioned about his relationship with first responders, specifically police, "and his thoughts on such topics as Ferguson, police shootings involving people of color, etc. Church leadership announced that a new senior pastor was not hired because the nominee failed to meet the 85% approval threshold. So very sorry, but not everything is about race and not everyone is a racist. Did people voice concerns and questions about Marcus? Takeaway: Using children as political pawns is despicable. Naples, FL 34109 (239) 597-2233. Good Ole Fascist techniques of taking away 1A rights are even occurring within the church. One Denomination that claims to hold the Christian faith to avoid is the Southern Baptist Churces and their affiliations. Generally, at Southern Baptist churches incoming pastors are approved by a majority of the church body upon recommendation from an elected search committee and/or pastoral staff, Stearns wrote. Now it certainly will as the debt load is unsustainable. He nevertheless urged them to contend earnestly for the faith against all falsehood, while doing everything possible to deliver souls from destruction: snatching them out of the fire . Wicker said in late October, when FBC Naples excommunicated the 18 members, it also stopped paying him his severance. Nothing new in this article. to be clear. Clarified a few things I had heard through the SBC grape vine. "A portion of the 19% that voted against Marcus Hayes did so based on racial prejudices," Executive Pastor John D. Edie wrote in an Oct. 31 letter to the Southern Baptist Convention. 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