Scientific Wild Ass Guess. I just got my crystal ball back from the shop. Some, like Wowwk, say they had invectives hurled their way; others, like naval officer Ford Cole, remember being spit on. I came back from nam in January of 70.Got out September remember being called a baby killer,monster etc ,was not spit on ,but had I been would have given back a proper response.When I came back was wearing my medals and CIB etc. More than nine million Americans served from Nov. 1, 1955, to May 15, 1975. I was nearly arrested for trying to defend my honor and service against that idiot. Before I married my loving wife, I told her of some of my experiences, but not all of them showed her all themedicine the word from the rear was we werent authorized cib. The Vietnam War lasted from 1964-1973the longest war in American history until it was overtaken by the one in Afghanistanand servicemen typically did one-year tours of duty. "Personally, I got what I needed, but if you look at the bigger picture with all these other veterans, they don't know what necessarily to do," he said. The 69-year-old, who lives in Port Jefferson Station, New York, didn't have any symptoms when he agreed to take part in the study, but hoped his participation could help save lives. Same goes with the SF flash. Do you mean more information about Agent Orange? (fact check note by Mike Brewer. The Vietnam veterans, we couldnt believe it. How many brain cells will you have by then? Northport VA Medical Center spokesman Christopher Goodman confirmed the New York facility collected the samples and sent them to the lab. Lost a friend after a going away party when he took one last flight the day after the party. How did American soldiers treat the Vietnamese? to Like I always said .we died in Nam , just havent fallen over yet.Too bad all the imposters dont die just as quick or quicker. December 27, 2018 (aged 112 years, 230 days) Austin, Texas, U.S. Oliver Stone. My girl friend thought I lost it. Baughman, who is thin and weak, recently plucked out "Country Roads" on a bass during a jam session at his cabin in West Virginia. When my wife and I go to a restaurant I always ask for a booth or table by the wall, so I can see whats going on around me. He was the youngest American service member to be killed in the Vietnam War. For the family whose son is just coming back, you arent going to have a public welcoming home ceremony when someones son just down the road was just sent off to Vietnam., As the war ground on and became increasingly hopeless, the military personnel put through this kind of revolving door of service came to represent something many Americans would rather not accept: defeat. We are not dying off that fast. By way of the SHADS project, we are still handling claims of radiation exposure in WWll and those who went to ABC school in the Navy; Atomic, Biological, Chemical Warfare training on ships in the early 1960s. Now I find the same scenario occurring with this AO fiasco. "I've personally dealt with muscle loss, neuropathy and atrial fibrillation. I found out he was on the plane behind me after roll call satin the rain and mud 1 killed in the Nam, 2 dead by their own hand. That often precedes an Appeal. id like to comment on the stastistics of our vietnam veteran death rate of 390 vets die every day.i think thatthedeath rate of vietnam veterans,are higher thanthe any other war veterans.i think that our fight wasnt just in vietnam,but after we got home.that took a heavy tole on us.and still is.God bless our verterants, john j. lang. Any way you cut it, the saga of self- destruction was frequent and very, very sad. Rather than being greeted with anger and hostility, however, most Vietnam veterans received very little reaction when they returned home. THERS IS ONLY ONE KIND OF COMBAT VET..ONEWHOWAS IN COMBAT. The federal agency sent its sympathies but no money. About 30 percent of Vietnam vets have had PTSD in their lifetime, the highest rate among veteran groups from all eras, according to the U.S. Department of Veterans Affairs' National Center for PTSD. This is around 9.7 percent of the generation at the time. So the last 14 years we are dying too fast, only the few will survive by i just found out that they will not cover navy personal that didnt go ashore & do have agent orange in there blood . It got too overwhelming for me, there were so MANY. The dedication of the Vietnam Veterans Memorial in 1982 began the process, but many identify the Gulf War of 1990-91with its national flag-waving, yellow-ribbon cultural mobilization and the grand celebrations of a successful campaignas ending Vietnam Syndrome. MarDivPhoto on Oct 9, 2009 refers to the American War Museum website, and mike_brewer on Oct 12, 2009 refers to the Vietnam War Museum, both as the source of the number 850,000 living Vietnam veterans. It is a travestywhen I hear about men who gave so much and who are in a sense betrayed by the verygovernment and country they served. They are getting old, as time passes away from history those part of it become history themselves. Why are Vietnam vets dying so fast? Lincoln, Nebraska is where I call home. Mike you write well and to get to core issues. The VA rejected 80 percent of the requests, but decisions often appeared to be haphazard or contradictory, depending on what desks they landed on, the AP found. Thanks Jim, that was very thorough. The Department of Veterans Affairs this spring commissioned a small pilot study to look into the link between liver flukes ingested through raw or undercooked fish and a rare bile duct cancer. Mike Baughman holds a 1971 photo of himself in his U.S. Army uniform at his home in Danville, California on Aug. 2, 2016. We could not understand getting letters from school kids, says Langenus, also a veteran of Desert Storm. Do you mean more information on the claim process? Thanks for the clarification. Call me Pete. In popular culture, the stereotype of the broken, homeless Vietnam vet began to take hold thanks to films like The Deer Hunter (1978), Coming Home (1978) and First Blood (1982). He and I just emailed each other on Jan. 2, 2011. american legion of purple hearts. Look upon myself as a well Some pilots, career men and members of elite units may have been much older. and told our stories we had a good laugh, just laughed our asses off went to the Found your article after reading so many obits lately where the guy was a Vietnam vet and wondering. Protestors demonstrate for full benefits for all US veterans, including Vietnam War veterans in July, 1974. They cannot deny your ISD. Lost contact with him years ago, wish him the best. does not receiving a cib mean im not a combat vet? Three weeks ago I suffered by 4th stroke, each attributed to ISD. It wasnt a bad idea at all, as Ive learned everything on the Kinah making aspect in this game. "I was in a state of shock," he said. Im 66 years old, going in to the hospital for the 4th time for more stents. i forgot to mention in my above comment,that i was in the first infantry division,(the big red one),charlie company,2nd battalion,16th infantry regiment,rangers,in vietnam. He was among those who got the call. Showing SFC (Ret.) Commissioned in 1980 as a Behavioral Science Officer and went from 0-1 to 0-6 until I retired in 2005. Why are Vietnam vets dying so fast? Look up the webstite. We took care of the Big Red 1 and the 173rd Sky soliders Long Bein . I served in Nam 68-69 with Shore Party detached to the 5th Marines in An Hoa. Median age is 68 years. Thank You. Dear Friends abd fellow vets, He led his men on operations that lasted 30 days or more in some of Vietnams most inhospitable conditions, without shaving, bathing or changing clothing. Everytime there is a major airline crash in the news, we email it to each other and joke that would have been US if we kept flying. How old did you have to be to be drafted in Vietnam? Deeds need to be done in addition to words, says Wowwk, who is 100 percent disabled from his Vietnam wounds. 18 years old I would learn about civilian life 46 months later. Last name: God bless you guys for your sacrifice. There are tons of Era Vets who are categorized as Vietnam Veterans, which is sort of true, but they are Vietnam ERA Vets, and never left the United States. The Iraqui and Afghan war vets are getting PTSD Tx. statistics that are at once depressing yet in a larger sense should give you a HUGE SENSE OF PRIDE. I hope it will cause your readers to write the Secretary and emphasize their concern about the unfortunate treatment of our Vietnam Veterans. And instead of getting return peace fingers, I got the middle finger.. (Reuters Health) - Higher than average death rates among VietnamWar veterans with post-traumatic stress disorder (PTSD) suggest that combat trauma may still be affecting veterans' health even decades after the war, according to a new study. The obituarities almostevery day in our area list someone who served in Vietnam. Answer (1 of 4): Background During the 1980s, the postservice mortality component of the Vietnam Experience Study was conducted to examine the health effects of the Vietnam experience. in only 6-10 years.. *STATISTICS FOR INDIVIDUALS IN UNIFORM AND IN COUNTRY VIETNAM VETERANS: * What happens if you eat too many brussel sprouts? HEROLD, W.Va. A half century after serving in Vietnam, hundreds of veterans have a new reason to believe they may be dying from a silent bullet test results show some men may have been infected by a slow-killing parasite while fighting in the jungles of Southeast Asia. I was a Medic with the 93rd Evac. It means Hill of Sacrifice. And for the men who served in Vietnam and survived unspeakable horrors, coming home offered its own kind of trauma. Two things I have to add, one is that many Viet Nam Veterans died in the line of duty as Law Enforcement Officers (odmp.org) and that as a police officer I was not prone to PTSD , I hope more were like me. As of the last Census taken during August, 2000, the surviving U.S. They all understand. Its better than nothing. I have been searching a long time for information on people who could help me find and interview pilots of either the Navy or Air Force who took part in Operation Rolling thiunder or Operation LineBacker 1and2. This figure far exceeded the expected suicide ratio when balanced by demographics and applied to ONLY those that had served in country. Because they will be OLD and it their turn. For a decade, as one person was shipped off to fight, another was returning. THOSE TO CLAIM TO HAVE been there: Be careful of Appeals. The Obituaries in the Veteran Magazine published by Vietnam Veterans of America, a highly credible organization, have a long list of birthdays between 1946-50. I am unable to find the museums referred to, though I find a National Vietnam War Museum and a Veterans Memorial Museum. Crazy shit. Theres one, just like the ones that we used, painted red, hanging from the ceiling at the Pima Air Museum. The program is for federal, state and local communities, Veterans' organizations and other nongovernmental organizations. If you have a CIB, you do not need to verify stressors, so call the 1-800-827-1000 and tolerate the voice promptings/menu. Tell them you want to request a CIB. sent back to the 4/18 artillery, the same unit I left in Germany. M c Clurg, Ernest H. Some of it came from a VFW Post. How the hell can anyone answer this question? Did you know that is the day Ho Chi Minh died? And I believe the qualifier thereis that many were claiming to be combatvets when in reality the ratio of logistics to grunts was about 9:1 therefore the large number suggested was true Vietnam Veterans, just not combat vets. i cam back from nam in july of 70 all my decorations and cbi badge and never heard or spit upon, i think a lot of this is bullshit!!! Ages range from 97 to 55 years old (born between 1918 and 1960). What amazes me however is that so many of my comrades who served in Vietnam and who suffer from many of the maladies associated with this war would serve again. Sen Jim Webb when he was Secretary of the Navy wrote an excellent article how the media, and in some cases the goverment gave birth to the myth that all Nam vets were in some way impaired or Rambos waiting to happen. Part of the reason was economic. we better make it soon . I am a Nam Vet with Ischemic Heart Disease (ISD),an illnessfinally acknowledged that was caused by AO in Oct 2009 by VA Secretary Shineski. "We've been fighting this for 55 years," said Wright, who also served in the Connecticut National Guard from 1982-1999 and retired as a first sergeant. But looking out the window and seeing civilians stop to watch the small convoy of hospital-bound vehicles, his excitement turned to confusion. -----In a closed society where everybody's guilty, the only crime is getting caught. I too have found the Veterans War Museum to be a bit odd at times. Veterans Fight PTSD and Injuries With Sailing, More Than 100 Sickened in Arizona Cryptosporidium Parasite Outbreak. Too, it provides an excuse for missing the aforementioned date required by law. What seeds should I start indoors in February. Why are Vietnam vets dying so fast? Roughly 300-thousand veterans have died from Agent Orange exposure -- that's almost five times as many as the 58-thousand who died in combat. Nice Web. I have been reading the Veteran for 20 years and it has always scared the crap out of me. We can only pray that the current generation of young men and women who are the current targets of a cottage-industry of professionals who thrive on making them all impaired will fare better than we did. Im a Life member of VVA, DAV and AMVETs; spend almost two years in Vet Nam as Medic with 145th Avn Btn AND 11th ARVN Airborne Brigade. he was back home in Texas he made it. As for the CAR, that might be another story. Most Vietnam Veterans are in their 60s and the average lifespan for a male in USA is 74. Was an 11B grunt with the First Air Cav (C1/7) in 71/72. Then ask, Do you think I might have been affected by this ambiguity between grounded reality in the tri canopy jungle and political reality at home which was counter to the troops welcome return (sarcasm). WWII and Korean War vets. Especially if you are happily married. C.I.B. According to an estimate by the New York Times, there were 8.4 million Vietnam veterans who were still alive in the year 2000.Of those, 1.1 million had passed away.It was also estimated that there will be a total of 138,000 Vietnam veterans who will pass away every year from this point forward.Editorial note from the administrator of the website: For me, the estimate from two years ago of 610 thousand seems to make the most sense. Just finished writing a book about an incident in Vietnam that tells a story about how twisted and asymmetric that war was. tell everyone that was their to go & get a blood test to check for agent orange 1st comes diabetes then prostate cancer thats what a dr told me yesterday. No one can do a C & P exam in that short of time. Less than half of them submitted claims for service-related benefits, mostly because they were not aware of a possible connection to Vietnam. Hello John: Hopefully since most of us are inot our 60s now we have past the heart attacks and cancers that seem to get you in the 50s and maybe the rate will now slow. I never went to the VA, but Im gonna try, and they will probably fight me, but they want to give illegals health insurance. How do I unlock Wattpad stories without paying? I too am a Life VVA member and Past President. I took her to Punchbowl and then she understood. Might any of our readers speculate about why this may be? 65-66 and Fed-67. dont know about . I am 70 and suffer from several health problems with a10% disability; all I believe attributed to my service in Vietnam or the Gulf War. For those who believe that the stories of being spit on and being called baby killers and other injustices is crap than you are living in a dream world. There is a certaincourage and loyalty that transends the injustice rendered to these men and as long as America has men like this it will always be free. Well, one thing to remember is that not all Vietnam veterans were born in 1945 or later. Pu u Owaina in Hawaiian. When I returned to the U.S. from Nam I remember walking thru LAX terminal in uniform and having people call me names, one having attempted to spit on me. Pete. Of the 2,709,918 Americans who served in Vietnam, less than 850,000 are estimated to be alive today, with the youngest American Vietnam veterans What does it mean to give someone their flowers while they live? Nearly three out of four of those cases were also denied, even though the government posted a warning on its website this year saying veterans who ate raw or undercooked freshwater fish while in Vietnam might be at risk. Welcome Home John. It has been a great experience. 7,484 women (6,250 or 83.5% were nurses) served in Vietnam. After reading your article, were lucky to have him. So it is not so much the numbers as the age at which Vietnam Veterans pass on to glory. It stopped short of urging them to get ultrasounds or other tests, saying there was currently no evidence the vets had higher infection rates than the general population. Mike I was on the USS America CVA 66 in 1970 and as such am part of the Blue Water Navy that is being shunned by the VA and congress. It may precede a counter-appeal. You posted this on September 2nd. In any case, we who served our country continue to die on a daily basisin greater and greater numbers. not too many left, Vietnam Veterans Dying Breed. I hope you all know that if you were in country and have diabetes you are basically automatically qualified for soem degree of compensation their is a presumptive connection as there is with various cancers. #16174111 - 05/03/12 07:01 AM (10 . Mike 520-360-6933. that were projected in 2000 to 2010? Semper Fi. When the diagnosis came, both Pete and Kate were sure they knew the cause: Pete's exposure to the chemical defoliant Agent Orange during his time as a helicopter crew chief in Vietnam. Food for thought. I will check on this for you. To me, It means today is a fresh start and we have one more chance at having a normal life. I welcomed 2 Marines back home and they returned the gesture. How long did a soldier have to serve in Vietnam? No way of accounting for the incidence of this from 1972-85. 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We built houches in 1967. Age: 77. The number of Vietnam veterans affected by the chemical Agent Orange is astonishing. If not mustard gas, then agent orange, the the Gulf syndrome. Often, just being in the TAOR, tactical area of responsibility will qualify you for a CIB? At the same time all my friends whom never served had good jobs and new cars etc. OK I also am wary of statistics thrown out on the web, being a former Marine and a Viet Nam Vet I looked up the numbers from one of the sources indicated.. found that the Naval Health Institute who crunches no. More answers below James Cain I came home in 69, my hair fell our,got big pustuals on my back, and skin problems immediately. That is a very large amount, equating to around 23.6 million. Gerry Wiggins, who served in Vietnam from 1968 to 1969, has already lost friends to the disease. A lot of them give me that blank stare like, 'You've got what?'". This is hard to believe, Best wishes, I just watched a VN movie about the Hanoi Hilton.. I went fucking ballistic. You can reach me at JasonGunn20@yahoo.com. Ischemic heart problems. Have you tried to apply? Wished I knew who implanted it. Im always looking around at whats going on. Glamunyon@aol.com. at the time i wasnt concerned, though, some of the guys working as fos, who were planning on a military career, were trying to get cibs. I am a Marine Vietnam Vet (6/67-7/68) & a MarineDesert Shield/Storm Vet. No more mr. Nice Guy. This was met by skeptisim by most Veterans groups. That takes courage to return to war, or maybe they wanted to get out of a statside armpit like I did when reassigned to Fort Lewis, Washington Sorry about the delay here in answering. None of the enlisted grades have an average age of less than 20. I left the Corps in 1970 and went to work as a Police Officer in a large southern city. The figures reported here (and the same text is widely seen) are all correct with one major exception. looking around. The official VA figures for surviving vets of the Viet Nam era show 81% to still be around; the percentage for those who served in Viet Nam is slightly lower, due first to the fact that 58,000 died there. Punchbowl National Cemetery of the Pacific is called. i think anyone that went to vietnam should go to a va hospital & get checked out. They were not necessarily looking for a parade, but they were certainly looking for basic human support and help in readjusting to civilian life after this really brutal war.. How old did you have to be to be drafted in Vietnam? Be safe and well Welcome Home 101st Airborne 1971 My room mate was nick named Budda in the 134th. And yet our government which is one of the best in the world scares the crap out of me. At your next response, should you be so kind, I will tell you of a career U.S. Navy hero who died alone, broke, unsung in a Trailer park in Oregon. The reporting found that about 700 veterans with cholangiocarcinoma have been seen by the VA in the past 15 years. But if you see something that doesn't look right, click here to contact us! So, lets say there were not more, just, alot. It is still tragic. James Ward was one of at least 18 juvenile soldiers killed at Vietnamfive were 16, like him, 11 others were 17, and one was 15 and had forged his birth certificate to join. and not one guy in my group had ever said that they were spit upon!! Recently, a local widow of a serviceman received a shock when. We returned home to an uncertain future with no skills needed in the civilian world, we would make our way the best we could in this got rocketed big time because it was the start of the TET offensive. ) returned from Vietnam , the clock has been ticking. The past 5 years has seen a ton of so called veteran statistics that are clearly confabulated. you guys read to many bullshit books!!! Twenty-one-year-old Steven A. Wowwk arrived as an infantryman in the Armys First Cavalry Division in Cam Ranh Bay, Vietnam in early January 1969 to fight in an escalating and increasingly unwinnable war. Born: 09/15/1946. I am not sure anyone will ever quantify the exact number of suicides. Patsy T. Mink, (U.S. House of Rep-Hawaii) get honored with a burial in Punchbowl. The collective emotion of the country was divided, says Jerry Lembke, a Vietnam veteran, sociologist and author of The Spitting Image: Myth, Memory, and the Legacy of Vietnam. Thanks to our Editor, Mark Evans, I have some raison de etre. wouldnt it be wild if we could have a gathering of ALL Vietnam Veterans in DC? There is no way that 69% of those who served are now dead, as is easily noted by the unit reunions that occur and the personal circle of other vets than many vets have. Thank god for them. Please post the SOURCE of this statistic. ps Hometown: Vega Baja, Puerto Rico. I do know this. American soldiers returning home from Vietnam often faced scorn as the war they had fought in became increasingly unpopular. Another who is 85,from Colorado and was on the USS Rhona in Tunisia in the early stages of WWll who filed his claim at age 80 for PTSD. The veterans outreach counseling is good for PTSD Tx, etc. I have met many men who were spat upon. Still listen to 1960s rocknroll and those songs take me back to the Mekong Delta I may have some choice words to express as well. We returned back to NY on Jan. 2, 1968. Age: 78. A lot of guys found themselves in the sh-t and were not grunts. I was spat on in Chicago in Lincoln Park in 1969. Your email address will not be published. Since 1988, The War Library has been making efforts to confirm the names of all United States military personnel who served in Vietnam or who were awarded the Vietnam War Service Medal. Your email address will not be published. We met at the replacement battlalion hearing our names at roll call, couldnt believe we were meeting again Im going to put that review officer in my shoes as a 20 y/o medic. Your email address will not be published. I was transfered to the 201st aviation co. in Nha Trang in 1972 to finnish my tour . This is an awsome blog, I am glad I have found it. Age 67. tell me what you think about the article I just wrote about former Senator Alan Simpson, at TucsonCitizen.com His comments about Agent Orange victims are going to keep me up nights! Last name: I just wonder how many of us boots on decks guys are going to be dying off before the VA and congress realize that we are due for our agent orange exposure also. CIB air medalan dall that. Required fields are marked *. Its called Mekong Protocol. I found out later after I got up that it was someone down the hall from me that shot himself. Age: 84. Hope that helps. It was Bob Kerrey. Thus, a follow-up mo. Burkett is the author of Stolen Valor: How the Vietnam Generation Was Robbed of its Heroes and its History, which was published in 1998 and received widespread acclaim. Who was the youngest American soldier killed in Vietnam? Can you put dead flowers in food waste bin? I get to testify and present them with the story of a 20 y/o medic carrying dead and wounded around for 14 months in country. As for VA disability, if someone was in combat or experienced documented stressors before or after Vietnam, AND, they are assessed in a VA claim related medical exam, AND they can get someone who was in their unit to verify the incidents, they may be successful in their claim for PTSD or injuries received in Nam. Except for one, we were all medics. for years, all I asked for was a good nights sleep. All my Vet friends died from suicide, cancer, heart attack (drinking themselves to death). July, 1974 getting letters from school kids, says Wowwk, who is percent. 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